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I have a link to the song and it's creator under The White Web. Hey, at least say you did something before the shooting starts, right?
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Thursday, November 11, 2010
Saturday, July 31, 2010
Happy Birthday!
I'm very proud to share a birthday (day, not year for you VNN types) with one of the martyrs of our struggle, Kathy M. Ainsworth. Born July 31, 1941 in Chicago, Illinois, her family moved south where she eventually ended up in Mississippi earning a college degree and becoming a schoolteacher. Knowing the danger that our people faced and understanding our enemy could never be reasoned with, she became a member of the White Knights of the Klu Klux Klan, an armed resistance group lead by Sam Bowers, may he never be forgotten.
On June 30, 1968 Kathy and another man, Thomas Tarrants, drove to the home of Meyer Davidson, the director of the subversive ADL planning to leave a bomb at his house. They had been successful at bombing other targets and this should have been no different. Unfortunately, traitors Alton Roberts and Raymond Roberts, who were in the pay of the ADL and the FBI, set them up and Kathy was killed instantly. She was pregnant at the time.
We're not here today to discuss the mistakes of the White Knights or give traitors space in this post. What we are here for today is to honor a fighter, a woman who had the courage and determination to take action instead of sitting around bitching and moaning and playing the blight wing game of eat, meet and retreat.
Kathy Ainsworth, RIP. You will never be forgotten and your sacrifice has not been in vain. A big hand salute to you!
Thursday, July 22, 2010
Incogman Dusting Himself Off, Getting Up for Another Round!
Static website Incogman has had for awhile apparently, but being updated for now until he gets his blog up. Thanks to the posters for alerting us to this.
Informative site for Whites only!
Informative site for Whites only!
Wednesday, July 21, 2010
Incogman Down, But Not Out
Looks like Incogman's blog has been removed, but stay tuned, He'll be back!
Friday, July 9, 2010
Please Welcome Igor Marxo
Tuesday, April 13, 2010
Good News From Russia
Thanks to VNN Forum for the link.
Story here
Our Russian comrades, don't stop there. Get your intelligence network to work and draw up a short list of people involved with "human rights" and immigration. Keep the offensive going. Nothing happens in a guerilla war when you're on the defensive. Hit'em hard, Hit'em fast, Hit'em often.
This should be happening here, in Europe and South Africa. I believe it's coming, and I can't F**king wait!!
Top anti-racism judge shot dead in Moscow
Posted Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:44pm AEST
One of Russia's top criminal judges has been murdered in the capital, Moscow.
Eduard Chuvashov had presided over several high-profile trials, including the sentencing of some of Russia's most notorious neo-Nazis.
According to one of Russia's main news agencies, a security camera recorded the moment the gunman entered the apartment building and opened fire.
The judge had just come out of his apartment.
Mr Chuvashov is reported to have died instantly after being hit in the head and chest.
The gunman, who managed to escape, is reported to have been in his 20s and of Slavic appearance.
Officials have been quoted as saying this was probably a contract killing connected to the judge's work.
Local media said Mr Chuvashov was the judge who sentenced 12 ultra-nationalists from the Russian fascist group known as the "White Wolves" in February.
Mostly teenagers, the group were found guilty of a string of brutal murders against dark-skinned migrants from Central Asian countries, many of whom had been bludgeoned to death.
- BBC/Reuters
Story here
Our Russian comrades, don't stop there. Get your intelligence network to work and draw up a short list of people involved with "human rights" and immigration. Keep the offensive going. Nothing happens in a guerilla war when you're on the defensive. Hit'em hard, Hit'em fast, Hit'em often.
This should be happening here, in Europe and South Africa. I believe it's coming, and I can't F**king wait!!
Government Official receives traitors justice.
HAIL THE VICTORY!
Tuesday, March 2, 2010
For They Shall Deliver You Up to Councils and in Synagogues
Yea, the hour cometh, that whosoever killeth you shall think that he offereth service unto God.
Ernst Zundel has finally been freed after being deported from Canada, Kidnapped in the United States and Shipped off to the Synagogues and Councils of "Free" Germany to stand trial for the unforgivable crime of questioning the new religion of the West, Holocaustianity. We Free White Men and Women the world over salute this brave man, who after suffering so much, has refused to recant or apologize for the truth.
Let him be an inspiration for us all, for when we too are one day given up to the Great Satan, we shall not falter, we shall not bend and we shall not ever betray the truth. God Bless you, Ernst Zundel, A true Patriot in every sense of the word. You are not forgotten.
The Canadian trials of Ernst Zundel:
http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/falsenews.toc.html
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p417_Faurisson.html
Tuesday, January 19, 2010
Happy Robert E. Lee Day!
Never in the History of the White man in North America has there been a Military General, a Southern Gentleman, a Christian Warrior as there was in Robert E. Lee. Having served in the United States Army, and having graduated from West Point without a single demerit, he fought the Mexicans and hung John Brown, all for his country that he loved dearly. Yet, when the time came to choose between his Honor as a Virginian or fight against his southern people, he chose to keep his honor. For that, Marse Lee, we southerners, and a great many of our Northern friends, will never forget you. Ever.
What Bobby Lee did took a lot of courage. Soon he was to put into the ground 300,000 soldiers of an army he was once part of. But you see, Lee's Honor and Patriotism didn't come from a Flag or to a Government. It came from a sense of duty and honor to his family and his people, the people of Virginia and the South. He lost everything for it, but he gained the undying love of true Southerners and Patriots everywhere, forever.
Think about that when you are comtemplating the situation before us. Where does your loyalty and honor lie?
Please God, send us another Lee!!
What Bobby Lee did took a lot of courage. Soon he was to put into the ground 300,000 soldiers of an army he was once part of. But you see, Lee's Honor and Patriotism didn't come from a Flag or to a Government. It came from a sense of duty and honor to his family and his people, the people of Virginia and the South. He lost everything for it, but he gained the undying love of true Southerners and Patriots everywhere, forever.
Think about that when you are comtemplating the situation before us. Where does your loyalty and honor lie?
Please God, send us another Lee!!
Friday, July 17, 2009
I Love Missoura!
Ya'll come. There's plenty more room for White Folks that think like this. Bring yo guns 'cause we's gonna have us a revolution!
It's shaping up now that Chicago will be be the center of ZOG power and the place of Synagogues to persecute Dissents while Missouri will be the center of the Insurgency. At least, I hope so!
It's shaping up now that Chicago will be be the center of ZOG power and the place of Synagogues to persecute Dissents while Missouri will be the center of the Insurgency. At least, I hope so!
Monday, July 13, 2009
And On That Day, You Will Reap It!
God I love this scene. Change the characters around a bit and this is what I wish for more than anything!
Wednesday, July 8, 2009
New Blog to the Ever Growing Roll
http://www.armedwithknowledge.blogspot.com/
Looks like a good blog to have around revolutionaries such as ourselves. Check it out, it's on my blog roll and we hope you enjoy it!
Sunday, July 5, 2009
Dying For Empire
Is it Patriotic? Is dying in some far off country for monied and alien interests really defending your people? Or is being opposed to the corrupt Empire the patriotic thing to do?
Come, let us reason together.
The founding fathers and the common man who took up arms against the British were British subjects, taxpaying citizens of the British empire. They were called terrorists, unpatriotic traitors and anything else the British government could throw at them. Many were imprisoned, some where executed. Others lost all they had in order to separate from what they saw as a corrupt, evil government. Two thirds of their fellow colonists however, wanted to remain "subjects", bleating in unison "O why can't we all just get along? Why must we have such disruption in our lives? All we want to do is consume and obey in safety and security". The corrupt British government considered these people, who went on to become Canadians, "Patriotic".
Even then, the British government could care less about White people if it interfered with the profits of the wealthy interests that controlled it.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
The British allied itself with racial aliens against it's own people, and hindered the White colonists from expanding further west. The British government you see today, importing thousands of racial aliens into Britain daily, is the evolutionary result of the government our ancestors fought against.
If we were to draw of a list of grievances against the ruling Regime in Washington today, what would they be? What are the indictments today?
1. It (the government) has deliberately allowed the invasion of over 100 million racial and cultural aliens into our land where they have been waging a race war against our people and imprisoning anyone that has dared to fight back or object to the destruction of our Nation and gene pool.
2. It has set loose at gunpoint the African, coercing with massive firepower the integration of our schools and neighborhoods with the result being ruined lives, cities, towns.
3. It has at laid on oppressive taxes and allowed monied interests to steal and rob us with impunity.
4. It has allowed a alien minority to seize control of the government, which has used it for the exclusive use of an alien power in the Middle East.
5. It has created a mercenary Army, both government and civilian, to wage unjust and illegal wars around the world. It has murdered our racial stock in two fracticidal wars.
We could go on and on, couldn't we? The sad fact of the matter is, before 1965 we had a nation in the real sense of the word, although even at that time it was in an advanced state of decay. The question one must ask themselves, do we have one now? Or do we live in a multicultural, multiracial political entity held together by oppressive laws and firepower?
America as it was originally proposed no longer exists, and the great experiment known as the United States is over. The only thing that matters now is survival of our people, the people of European descent, not waving a flag or the pledge of allegiance.
Governments are temporal. Races can be, too. The difference is, you can always create a new government but once the race is gone, it's forever. Never to return. This is what we must prevent at any cost.
Come, let us reason together.
The founding fathers and the common man who took up arms against the British were British subjects, taxpaying citizens of the British empire. They were called terrorists, unpatriotic traitors and anything else the British government could throw at them. Many were imprisoned, some where executed. Others lost all they had in order to separate from what they saw as a corrupt, evil government. Two thirds of their fellow colonists however, wanted to remain "subjects", bleating in unison "O why can't we all just get along? Why must we have such disruption in our lives? All we want to do is consume and obey in safety and security". The corrupt British government considered these people, who went on to become Canadians, "Patriotic".
Even then, the British government could care less about White people if it interfered with the profits of the wealthy interests that controlled it.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
The British allied itself with racial aliens against it's own people, and hindered the White colonists from expanding further west. The British government you see today, importing thousands of racial aliens into Britain daily, is the evolutionary result of the government our ancestors fought against.
If we were to draw of a list of grievances against the ruling Regime in Washington today, what would they be? What are the indictments today?
1. It (the government) has deliberately allowed the invasion of over 100 million racial and cultural aliens into our land where they have been waging a race war against our people and imprisoning anyone that has dared to fight back or object to the destruction of our Nation and gene pool.
2. It has set loose at gunpoint the African, coercing with massive firepower the integration of our schools and neighborhoods with the result being ruined lives, cities, towns.
3. It has at laid on oppressive taxes and allowed monied interests to steal and rob us with impunity.
4. It has allowed a alien minority to seize control of the government, which has used it for the exclusive use of an alien power in the Middle East.
5. It has created a mercenary Army, both government and civilian, to wage unjust and illegal wars around the world. It has murdered our racial stock in two fracticidal wars.
We could go on and on, couldn't we? The sad fact of the matter is, before 1965 we had a nation in the real sense of the word, although even at that time it was in an advanced state of decay. The question one must ask themselves, do we have one now? Or do we live in a multicultural, multiracial political entity held together by oppressive laws and firepower?
America as it was originally proposed no longer exists, and the great experiment known as the United States is over. The only thing that matters now is survival of our people, the people of European descent, not waving a flag or the pledge of allegiance.
Governments are temporal. Races can be, too. The difference is, you can always create a new government but once the race is gone, it's forever. Never to return. This is what we must prevent at any cost.
Monday, June 22, 2009
And The Snow Fell
On June 22, 1941, The greatest land battle in the history of the world commenced at 3:15am as 3.2 million German Troops, along with 550,000 Soldiers from all over Europa set out to destroy the greatest enemy the White Race had ever faced: Jewish Communism.
Whose side do you think the Great Satan, also known as the United States, was on?
We honor those brave men who fought and died so Europe could be free. Hail the Germans! You have nothing to be ashamed of. Nothing.
Valhalla, receive these and other warriors who are to follow!
The results of that defeat 65 years ago is being felt all over the western world.
But we will not die. Tomorrow belongs to us!
Whose side do you think the Great Satan, also known as the United States, was on?
We honor those brave men who fought and died so Europe could be free. Hail the Germans! You have nothing to be ashamed of. Nothing.
Valhalla, receive these and other warriors who are to follow!
The results of that defeat 65 years ago is being felt all over the western world.
But we will not die. Tomorrow belongs to us!
Thursday, June 11, 2009
Another Viewpoint
This one from Michael Hoffman. Mr. Hoffman is an excellent researcher and writer.
Rest of the blog post here:
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2009/06/now-playing-at-holocaust-museum-lone.html
The religion of Orthodox Judaism is designed so as to capitalize on and benefit from any violent attack on it or it adherents. Without such violence from outsiders, attacks are sometimes orchestrated from within.
Rest of the blog post here:
http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2009/06/now-playing-at-holocaust-museum-lone.html
Tuesday, June 9, 2009
The Home Page of Prisoner Eric Rudolph
I am not an anarchist. I have nothing against government or law enforcement in general. It is solely for the reason that this government has legalized the murder of children that I have no allegiance to it nor do I recognize the legitimacy of this particular government in Washington.
Eric Rudolph, Anti-Abortion Prisoner
Eric Rudolph, Anti-Abortion Prisoner
"My actions that day were motivated by my recognition that abortion is murder. Because it is murder, I believe that deadly force is indeed justified in an attempt to stop it. I do not claim this as a right but rather consider it the moral duty to come to the defense of my fellow man when he is under attack. This is an essential concept embedded in Western Civilization - that we are our brother's keeper."
Eric Rudolph
My Actions that day were motivated by my recognition that race replacement is murder. Because it is murder, I believe that deadly force is indeed justified in an attempt to stop it. I do not claim this as a right but rather consider it the moral duty to come to the defense of my race when it is under attack. This is an essential concept embedded in Western Civilization - that we are our brother's keeper.
Orion14
Almighty God, bring us more Erics. We cry out for you to raise an Army of Erics and Timothys so we might smite thine enemies. We pray you deliver us from Evil, O Lord, and will it to come quickly. And God, Please don't take me until I've sent some of them to hell! I ask for nothing else, Lord.
In Gods holy name, Amen.
http://www.armyofgod.com/EricRudolphHomepage.html
If you want to know how Eric ditched the ZOG for so long, read "lil" and "lick the floor". Fascinating! Many times did I yell "Run Eric Run!"
Thursday, May 28, 2009
David Irving Speaks in Norway
And soon, in the United States. If you've never been to an Irving lecture you are really missing something, and something you will never forget.
This is an interesting interview with Irving on Norwegian TV, after being dis- invited (again) from a speaking engagement. Courageous man as he is, he's still going.
This is an interesting interview with Irving on Norwegian TV, after being dis- invited (again) from a speaking engagement. Courageous man as he is, he's still going.
Thursday, May 21, 2009
New Blog Added - Sojourner
We here at Access St. Louis are jumping for Joy now that this fine Christian Woman has joined our blog roll. It's Christ-centered toward the Israel Anglo Truth and she pulls no punches calling out the enemies of Christ and his people.
So go forth, my brethren, and give her the Kiss of Peace so she may continue to live and prosper under our King Jesus Christ during her Sojourn amongst the true chosen.
May it ever be so!
So go forth, my brethren, and give her the Kiss of Peace so she may continue to live and prosper under our King Jesus Christ during her Sojourn amongst the true chosen.
May it ever be so!
Wednesday, May 13, 2009
Poetry in Motion
How it's done! From the jew watch disscussion group, hosted by the one and only Mr. James Stenzel from the great state of Missouri.
First up, we have a smarmy little NeoKhan, you know, a flag waving yahoo that thinks he's too clever by half. The type that watches Fox News and thinks he knows it all.
1a. And you're worried about the Jews!!
Posted by: "v.louis74" v.louis74@yahoo.com
Wed May 13, 2009 12:23 am (PDT)
Follow this link for some very interesting by scary statistics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3x5hlFXYU
Maybe you should start a group called islamwatch.com, or are you too scared that a fatwah will be put out on your head?
Stop being so Jew verskriked, they really aren't the real problem.
Best regards
Louis74
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1b. And you're worried about the Jews!!
Posted by: "v.louis74" v.louis74@yahoo.com
Wed May 13, 2009 12:24 am (PDT)
Apologies I gave you the incorrect link, here's the correct one.
Scary stuff indeed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
Louis
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1c. Re: And you're worried about the Jews!!
Posted by: "James R. Stenzel" jewwatch.2008@yahoo.com jewwatch.2008
Wed May 13, 2009 2:17 am (PDT)
--- In www_jewwatch_workgroup@yahoogroups.com, "v.louis74"wrote:
>
> Follow this link for some very interesting by scary statistics
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3x5hlFXYU
And according to the subsequent message, this individual
was so intent on attacking the whole basis of this forum
and parent website he didn't even get his URL correct the first time.
>
> Maybe you should start a group called islamwatch.com, or are you too scared that a fatwah will be put out on your head?
What you don't seem to understand is that this group was
constituted to discuss the popular scholarly website
of amazing facts about the jews, not to discuss comparative
religion, not to discuss islam (or jewsusism, or buddhism or
any other religion, by itself as a religion).
Besides, while you were doing your "research" I guess it
missed your attention that what you suggest has already
been done:
www.islam-watch.org
According to the service they chuse to use to determine their
visits/day jewwatch gets about 2,000 more. They selected
a .org domain, but evidently market products. Huh?
Truth isn't a popularity contest, but in this case it seems
that truth is more popular. I know about muslims. A Palestinian
in my locale murdered his own daughter because she dated out-
of-their culture. His name was Zein Isa. So what? Even longer
ago than that a very popular host for a television show
named Sunrise Semester murdered his wife--his name was John
Bittner-Janusch. He wasn't Palestinian.
I saw (live TV) a jew, Jacob Rubenstein, murder a man so
that he could not be meaningfully interrogated about what
part he may ( or may not) have played in the mossassination
of this nation's first roman-catholic sub-cult-of-the-jewsusist-cult
President. The man was a jew. The press continues to this day
to try to conceal that fact by only referring to him by
some supposed organized-crime nickname which doesn't sound
immediately/blatantly jew. The press never tried to cover up
the cultural background of Zein Isa. Many people never would
have guessed him to be Palestinian, only "some foreigner"
but the press constantly mentioned he came from Palestine.
Jewwatch isn't selling anything--we're here, people use jewwatch
to get information about jews. Evidently more people have an
interest in that subject than have an interest in islam.
Maybe that's because jews have been moiling and meddling in
most people's (and Peoples) business for thousands of
years longer that islam has even existed.
Some of us are on a first-come first served basis.
I'm not much interested in keeping tabs on islam, and it's not
because I'm afraid of a fatwah. The jews have already issued
a fatwah on me. I just received my latest token of appreciation
from one of their cowardly apologists/supporters recently. The
amateurish dimwit used an envelope intended for a channukah
greeting (apparently) and thought they could disguise an embossed
feature on paper by painting over it with white-out.
Evidently no gentile genius cowardly-hate-mail-sender was
available to steal the trade-secrets from and stamp
"made in jewsreal" on it so this "einstein" had to improvise
on his or her own.
I won't bore you with the contents. Why
wish a manageable/treatable disease on someone
you fear and loath?
I don't even think you can die of it as a primary cause of death.
Oh, I've got an idea. Why don't you go start your own site
dedicated to watching all the things the muslims have gotten
up-to in response to the anti-islamic, largely anti-semitic
campaign of disinformation and hatred waged by the jews
against them? What's stopping you?
I guess you answered your own question--it is you who are
afraid, not me. I can assure you the originator of my site
fears nothing that walks or crawls on the face of this earth.
Me? I come under the heading "fools rush in where angels
fear to tread". Get over it--I have.
The real question is, why are the jews so damned afraid of
a full disclosure on the subject of jews? Go study my site
and eventually such of it as can sink through the
extremely dense bone of your cranium may answer
my question for you---I'm sure you wouldn't have a clue
on your own.
I suppose I should take it as a compliment you would like
to have me set upon your chosen enemies. I would
prefer not to...
Islam would be having no problem with my society were it
not for the extent to which jews have been successful at
involving my society in the worst idea they ever had--zionism.
For all their rough edges, when they're putting the sword to
people they're generally trying to include them within the
umbrella of islam, at least. They really don't do anything
designed to try to exclude outsiders--to the contrary.
I wouldn't like to live their lifestyle, but I'd rather live
amongst them as an equal than live in a jew-run world as
what it's rulers would consider sub-human work-unit, given
the choice. It's the jews who would force that choice
upon me.
Go back to the home page of this forum and see
what the stated purpose of this discussion group is ---and
please inform us when you have and return here to post
your answer--what in that mission statement for this forum
did you see soliciting suggestions for what other subjects
besides the jews we migth like to operate a website to
fully reveal?
>
> Stop being so Jew verskriked, they really aren't the real problem.
Really? REALLY REALLY REALLY? Is that for-real? You really
expect me to really believe you really believe that?
The jews and their zionism are a problem. Why they are like
they are is a fascinating subject for discussion. Once we
get that cleared up then maybe we can turn our attention to
why everyone else is as everyone else is.
The entire basis of how I was raised did not spring from
islam, it sprung from judaism. The central figure in the
cult in which I was raised (the presbyterian sub-cult of the
jewsusist cult) is not islamic--though islam does recognize
jewsus as a prophet.
People faithful to the tales behind islam do not wag my national dog.
Jews do.
Islam, whatever else it is, is not a very effective system for
influencing or controlling other peoples. Look at the areas
of the world islam generally controls--not my choice of
locales to take up residence any time soon. I mean,
I like reptiles and lizards but not ones that can eat me. At
that point they change from being a beneficial element of
nature to a nuisance I don't want to live around.
Then look at the locales controlled by the jews through
their jewsusist puppet-strings--the world's prime real-estate.
Areas mostly cleared of the worst of the dangerous wildlife
more than 10,000 years ago. Areas with rich fertile plains,
majestic snow-capped peaks and broad rivers brimming with
delectable edibles.
The only extent to which islam can be a threat to the parts
of the world which are (nominally) jewsusist-controlled
is the extent to which the jewsusist-controlled areas
do not simply reach out and wash the islamic cultures away
in a seething bath of neutrons. That's the measure of the
limits on the control the jews exert on their noachide
thralls--so far.
That tolerance is a function of the racial characteristic
of the dominant gentiles, the europeans or caucasians. That
is also the Achilles-heel which caused the jews to settle
on that sub-set of gentiles to use as their servants to
manifest their insane quest for a homeland for people
whose obvious destiny is to have no homeland. They wrested
one from the people whose language makes up the basis of
their language (you don't find too many jews speaking aramaic
to each other...) and controlled it not once, but twice--
for what amounts to a very short span of the time people have
dwelt there--and lost it to their own lack of ability to keep
it. Most Peoples would be able to take a hint. Not the
jews though.
There's a limit to the extent the jews can get the gentiles
to disgrace themselves in service of the remnants of
that culture which contributed the basis of the powerful
jewsusist/gentile world to show intolerance on behalf
of the jews. That's a built-in safety-valve the european gentiles have. It makes them easy prey to the jews, but also frustrates
the jews from having their way fully with us.
It's my belief the only way that limit will stay in place
is for resources such as jewwatch to continue to exist--hence
my leaping into the breech to see to it.
Long story short: until such time as the muslims are able to
have an 89 year old gentile who hasn't harmed a hair on anyone's
head since he came here extradited to some kangaroo court to
make a mockery of justice in order to create what they believe
to be positive public relations for jihaad (the muslim equivalent of zionism), I'm not starting any websites dealing with a jew-skewed full "disclosure" regarding islam.
Got that?
Run along now, junior. Come back and joust with me
when you can grow a bush and a beard.
James R. Stenzel
Missouri
U.S.A.
Yeeeeha! That Neo just got himself a Missouri Boat ride! :)
First up, we have a smarmy little NeoKhan, you know, a flag waving yahoo that thinks he's too clever by half. The type that watches Fox News and thinks he knows it all.
1a. And you're worried about the Jews!!
Posted by: "v.louis74" v.louis74@yahoo.com
Wed May 13, 2009 12:23 am (PDT)
Follow this link for some very interesting by scary statistics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3x5hlFXYU
Maybe you should start a group called islamwatch.com, or are you too scared that a fatwah will be put out on your head?
Stop being so Jew verskriked, they really aren't the real problem.
Best regards
Louis74
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1b. And you're worried about the Jews!!
Posted by: "v.louis74" v.louis74@yahoo.com
Wed May 13, 2009 12:24 am (PDT)
Apologies I gave you the incorrect link, here's the correct one.
Scary stuff indeed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU
Louis
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1c. Re: And you're worried about the Jews!!
Posted by: "James R. Stenzel" jewwatch.2008@yahoo.com jewwatch.2008
Wed May 13, 2009 2:17 am (PDT)
--- In www_jewwatch_workgroup@yahoogroups.com, "v.louis74"
>
> Follow this link for some very interesting by scary statistics
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3x5hlFXYU
And according to the subsequent message, this individual
was so intent on attacking the whole basis of this forum
and parent website he didn't even get his URL correct the first time.
>
> Maybe you should start a group called islamwatch.com, or are you too scared that a fatwah will be put out on your head?
What you don't seem to understand is that this group was
constituted to discuss the popular scholarly website
of amazing facts about the jews, not to discuss comparative
religion, not to discuss islam (or jewsusism, or buddhism or
any other religion, by itself as a religion).
Besides, while you were doing your "research" I guess it
missed your attention that what you suggest has already
been done:
www.islam-watch.org
According to the service they chuse to use to determine their
visits/day jewwatch gets about 2,000 more. They selected
a .org domain, but evidently market products. Huh?
Truth isn't a popularity contest, but in this case it seems
that truth is more popular. I know about muslims. A Palestinian
in my locale murdered his own daughter because she dated out-
of-their culture. His name was Zein Isa. So what? Even longer
ago than that a very popular host for a television show
named Sunrise Semester murdered his wife--his name was John
Bittner-Janusch. He wasn't Palestinian.
I saw (live TV) a jew, Jacob Rubenstein, murder a man so
that he could not be meaningfully interrogated about what
part he may ( or may not) have played in the mossassination
of this nation's first roman-catholic sub-cult-of-the-jewsusist-cult
President. The man was a jew. The press continues to this day
to try to conceal that fact by only referring to him by
some supposed organized-crime nickname which doesn't sound
immediately/blatantly jew. The press never tried to cover up
the cultural background of Zein Isa. Many people never would
have guessed him to be Palestinian, only "some foreigner"
but the press constantly mentioned he came from Palestine.
Jewwatch isn't selling anything--we're here, people use jewwatch
to get information about jews. Evidently more people have an
interest in that subject than have an interest in islam.
Maybe that's because jews have been moiling and meddling in
most people's (and Peoples) business for thousands of
years longer that islam has even existed.
Some of us are on a first-come first served basis.
I'm not much interested in keeping tabs on islam, and it's not
because I'm afraid of a fatwah. The jews have already issued
a fatwah on me. I just received my latest token of appreciation
from one of their cowardly apologists/supporters recently. The
amateurish dimwit used an envelope intended for a channukah
greeting (apparently) and thought they could disguise an embossed
feature on paper by painting over it with white-out.
Evidently no gentile genius cowardly-hate-mail-sender was
available to steal the trade-secrets from and stamp
"made in jewsreal" on it so this "einstein" had to improvise
on his or her own.
I won't bore you with the contents. Why
wish a manageable/treatable disease on someone
you fear and loath?
I don't even think you can die of it as a primary cause of death.
Oh, I've got an idea. Why don't you go start your own site
dedicated to watching all the things the muslims have gotten
up-to in response to the anti-islamic, largely anti-semitic
campaign of disinformation and hatred waged by the jews
against them? What's stopping you?
I guess you answered your own question--it is you who are
afraid, not me. I can assure you the originator of my site
fears nothing that walks or crawls on the face of this earth.
Me? I come under the heading "fools rush in where angels
fear to tread". Get over it--I have.
The real question is, why are the jews so damned afraid of
a full disclosure on the subject of jews? Go study my site
and eventually such of it as can sink through the
extremely dense bone of your cranium may answer
my question for you---I'm sure you wouldn't have a clue
on your own.
I suppose I should take it as a compliment you would like
to have me set upon your chosen enemies. I would
prefer not to...
Islam would be having no problem with my society were it
not for the extent to which jews have been successful at
involving my society in the worst idea they ever had--zionism.
For all their rough edges, when they're putting the sword to
people they're generally trying to include them within the
umbrella of islam, at least. They really don't do anything
designed to try to exclude outsiders--to the contrary.
I wouldn't like to live their lifestyle, but I'd rather live
amongst them as an equal than live in a jew-run world as
what it's rulers would consider sub-human work-unit, given
the choice. It's the jews who would force that choice
upon me.
Go back to the home page of this forum and see
what the stated purpose of this discussion group is ---and
please inform us when you have and return here to post
your answer--what in that mission statement for this forum
did you see soliciting suggestions for what other subjects
besides the jews we migth like to operate a website to
fully reveal?
>
> Stop being so Jew verskriked, they really aren't the real problem.
Really? REALLY REALLY REALLY? Is that for-real? You really
expect me to really believe you really believe that?
The jews and their zionism are a problem. Why they are like
they are is a fascinating subject for discussion. Once we
get that cleared up then maybe we can turn our attention to
why everyone else is as everyone else is.
The entire basis of how I was raised did not spring from
islam, it sprung from judaism. The central figure in the
cult in which I was raised (the presbyterian sub-cult of the
jewsusist cult) is not islamic--though islam does recognize
jewsus as a prophet.
People faithful to the tales behind islam do not wag my national dog.
Jews do.
Islam, whatever else it is, is not a very effective system for
influencing or controlling other peoples. Look at the areas
of the world islam generally controls--not my choice of
locales to take up residence any time soon. I mean,
I like reptiles and lizards but not ones that can eat me. At
that point they change from being a beneficial element of
nature to a nuisance I don't want to live around.
Then look at the locales controlled by the jews through
their jewsusist puppet-strings--the world's prime real-estate.
Areas mostly cleared of the worst of the dangerous wildlife
more than 10,000 years ago. Areas with rich fertile plains,
majestic snow-capped peaks and broad rivers brimming with
delectable edibles.
The only extent to which islam can be a threat to the parts
of the world which are (nominally) jewsusist-controlled
is the extent to which the jewsusist-controlled areas
do not simply reach out and wash the islamic cultures away
in a seething bath of neutrons. That's the measure of the
limits on the control the jews exert on their noachide
thralls--so far.
That tolerance is a function of the racial characteristic
of the dominant gentiles, the europeans or caucasians. That
is also the Achilles-heel which caused the jews to settle
on that sub-set of gentiles to use as their servants to
manifest their insane quest for a homeland for people
whose obvious destiny is to have no homeland. They wrested
one from the people whose language makes up the basis of
their language (you don't find too many jews speaking aramaic
to each other...) and controlled it not once, but twice--
for what amounts to a very short span of the time people have
dwelt there--and lost it to their own lack of ability to keep
it. Most Peoples would be able to take a hint. Not the
jews though.
There's a limit to the extent the jews can get the gentiles
to disgrace themselves in service of the remnants of
that culture which contributed the basis of the powerful
jewsusist/gentile world to show intolerance on behalf
of the jews. That's a built-in safety-valve the european gentiles have. It makes them easy prey to the jews, but also frustrates
the jews from having their way fully with us.
It's my belief the only way that limit will stay in place
is for resources such as jewwatch to continue to exist--hence
my leaping into the breech to see to it.
Long story short: until such time as the muslims are able to
have an 89 year old gentile who hasn't harmed a hair on anyone's
head since he came here extradited to some kangaroo court to
make a mockery of justice in order to create what they believe
to be positive public relations for jihaad (the muslim equivalent of zionism), I'm not starting any websites dealing with a jew-skewed full "disclosure" regarding islam.
Got that?
Run along now, junior. Come back and joust with me
when you can grow a bush and a beard.
James R. Stenzel
Missouri
U.S.A.
Yeeeeha! That Neo just got himself a Missouri Boat ride! :)
Friday, May 1, 2009
RPG-7 - Weapon of the Insurgency
During the civil war that will break out inside the Great Satan, that filthy abomination that has become the habitation of devils and the hold of every foul spirit, I don't see any difficulty in obtaining weapons like these. There are millions of them in the Middle East and Eastern Europe that could very easily find their way into the hands of determined patriots. If we have to, we can make our own RPGs, Drones and Stingers. Know why?
We are Aryans.
This is an outstanding article on light infantry vs armor tactics involving the popular shoulder-fired RPG-7. This article appeared in the May-August 1998 issue of "Infantry" under the title "The RPG-7 On the Battlefields of Today and Tomorrow."
For All Seasons: The Old But Effective RPG-7 Promises to Haunt the Battlefields of Tomorrow
by Mr. Lester W. Grau Foreign Military Studies Office, Fort Leavenworth, KS. *********************************************************************
The RPG-7 anti-tank grenade launcher is one of the most common and most effective infantry weapons in contemporary conflicts. It is rugged, simple and carries a lethal punch. Whether downing US Blackhawk helicopters in Somalia, blasting Russian tanks in Chechnya, or attacking government strong points in Angola, the RPG-7 is the weapon of choice for many infantrymen and guerrillas around the world.
The RPG-7 is the lineal descendant of the World War II German Panzerfaust. It is relatively cheap, quite effective and found everywhere. The RPG-7 was adopted by the Soviet Armed Forces in 1961. Today, it is part of the TO&E of over 40 different countries' armies and several of these countries, besides Russia, are licensed to build their own.(1) Other manufacturers include Bulgaria, China, Iran, Iraq, Romania and Pakistan.
The RPG-7 is a shoulder-fired, muzzle-loaded, antitank and antipersonnel grenade launcher which launches a variety of fin-stabilized, oversized grenades from a 40mm tube. The launcher with optical sight weighs 6.9 kilograms (15.2 pounds) and has a maximum effective range of 300 meters against moving point targets and 500 meters against stationary point targets.
The maximum range for antitank grenades against area targets is 920 meters, at which point the round self-destructs after its 4.5 second flight. The antipersonnel grenades reach over 1100 meters. Among the production grenades are the PG-7, PG-7M, PG-7N, and PG-7VL antitank grenades with armor penetrability of up to 600mm of rolled homogeneous steel. The PG-7VR is a tandem warhead designed to penetrate explosive reactive armor and the armor underneath. The OG-7 and OG-7M are high-explosive antipersonnel grenades.(2)
The Soviet Army assigned one RPG-7 per motorized rifle squad.(3) Forces involved in regional conflicts tend to add more RPGs to their organizations. In the Iran-Iraq War, the Iranian 11-man squad had two RPG-7 gunners. In the Soviet-Afghan War, the Mujahideen (4) averaged one RPG for every 10-12 combatants in 1983-1985. By 1987, they were two RPG-7s for every 10-12 combatants.
The Mujahideen formed special armored-vehicle hunter-killer teams where 50 to 80% of the personnel were armed with RPG-7s. This could be up to 15 RPGs. When there weren't mortars available, these groups also used their RPG-7s as a form of pseudo-artillery and conducted RPG preparation fires.(5)
Constricted terrain (mountains, forest, jungle, and population centers) leads to close combat. When the combatants are 10-30 meters apart, artillery and air support is practically nonexistent due to the danger of fratricide. Close combat is a direct-fire brawl in which the RPG-7 excels.(6)
Combat in the High Desert
The Soviet -Afghan War lasted from 1979 to 1989 and pitted the local Mujahideen against the Soviet occupiers and the Afghan communist government. Afghanistan is a rugged land, full of towering mountains, vast deserts, "green zones"(7) and occasional forest. Guerrilla warfare favors the use of light infantry.
The Soviets never fielded enough light infantry to match the quality light infantry of the Mujahideen. The RPG-7 was the Mujahideen weapon of choice and they proved its value as a light-weight killer against Soviet tanks, armored personnel carriers, trucks and helicopters. The Soviets tried to stay at least 300 meters away from the Mujahideen--out of AK-47 Kalashinikov assault rifle and RPG- 7 moving target range.(8) The Mujahideen, on the other hand, tried to get in close and "hug" the Soviet force to escape Soviet artillery and air strikes while using their RPGs to good effect.(9)
Among the forces that the Soviets deployed to Afghanistan were two spetsnaz brigades.(10) The spetsnaz forces were not authorized RPG-7s in their TO&Es. Instead, they were issued RPG-16s or RPG-22s.(11) The RPG-16s and RPG-22s lacked the range and punch of the RPG-7, so spetsnaz troops used captured Chinese and Pakistani RPG-7s. They preferred these RPGs to the Soviet-manufactured model since they are lighter, and have a folding bipod and a convenient carrying handle. The spetsnaz found that the RPG-7 was ideal for taking out Mujahideen firing positions dug into mountain slopes. They would aim the RPG-7 to hit above and behind the firing position, showering the firing position with shrapnel and pieces of rock.(12)
The Mujahideen used the RPG antitank grenades against both vehicles and personnel. The antitank round has a lethal bursting radius of some four meters and can kill with blast and shrapnel. The Mujahideen learned that the best way to destroy a vehicle was to engage it with two or three RPGs simultaneously from a range of 20-50 meters. The chances of hitting the target with a lethal shot are greatly increased by firing a number of shots at close range. Further, the vehicle under attack has less of a chance to react to the attack.
The rebels in Tadjikistan in 1992 applied this same technique when attacking T-72 tanks equipped with reactive armor. Since they lacked the anti-reactive armor PG-7VR tandem warhead, the first gunner would hit the tank to blow a hole in the reactive armor and the second and third gunner would fire the kill shots at the exposed area. This "double-teaming" also usually took out the tank's vision blocks, so if the tank survived, it was blind allowing the RPG gunners time to reposition, reload and reengage. Another "trick of the trade" was to throw a fragmentation grenade on the T-72's front deck to take out the driver's vision block before the massed RPGs opened up on the tank. The optimum shot for the Tadjik rebels was against the rear section of the T-72 turret.
The biggest danger to the RPG gunners was infantry accompanying tanks, so they tried to take out tanks that were out of immediate infantry support range. Further, RPG gunners usually were accompanied by supporting snipers and machine gunners and an assistant RPG gunner carrying an assault rifle. These could protect the RPG gunner from enemy infantry. It was absolutely necessary, if the RPG gunners were not firing from prepared positions, that they change firing positions after every shot. This was especially true if they failed to kill their target with the first shot or the target had a supporting vehicle in overwatch. RPG gunners who were caught up in the heat of the moment and stood their ground were quickly killed.(13)
RPG-7s were especially valuable in executing an ambush. RPG positions were selected with particular care, then dug-in, reinforced and camouflaged. The area behind the firing positions were soaked for two-four meters in depth with water to prevent a tell-tale cloud of dust. The firing position was hidden within local foliage--brush, reeds, corn and tall grasses up to two meters high. It was only necessary to have a clear view of the target and an unimpeded pathway where the grenade could fly without be deflected by twigs and foliage. No matter how well camouflaged and watered-down a position, the launching signature of a RPG is unmistakable. The flash and the whitish blue-grey smoke is a clear giveaway and the surviving RPG gunner is one who quickly shifts positions or dives deep into a hole.
Helicopter Hunting
While the RPG was designed to kill tanks and other combat vehicles, it has brought down a number of helicopters as well. During the fighting in Mogadishu, Somalia in October 1994, the two US Army Blackhawk helicopters shot down were by the RPG. In Afghanistan, the Mujahideen found that the best anti-helicopter tactics were anti-helicopter ambushes. The first variant was to identify likely landing zones and mine them. Then the Mujahideen would position machine guns and RPGs around the landing zone. As the helicopter landed, massed RPG and machine gun fire would tear into the aircraft.(14)
If the Mujahideen could not lure helicopters into an ambush kill zone, the RPG could still engage helicopters. The Mujahideen found that a frontal shot at a range of 100 meters was optimum against an approaching helicopter.(15) As before, the more RPGs firing simultaneously, the better chance of a hit and escape from an avenging wingman.(16)
Should the helicopters be flying further away, it was better to wait until the helicopter was 700-800 meters away and then fire, trying to catch the helicopter with the explosion of the round's self-destruction at 920 meters distance. Chances of hitting a helicopter at this range by the self-destruct mechanism were very limited, but they served to discourage reconnaissance helicopters and air assault landings, particularly if a SA-7 Strela or a Stinger shoulder-fired surface-to-air missile was also firing.(17)
Combat in Cities
In December 1994, the Russian Army entered the break-away Republic of Chechnya and attempted to seize the Chechen capital of Grozny from the march. After this attempt failed, the Russian Army spent two months in deliberate house-to-house fighting before finally capturing the city.(18) During the fighting, the Russian conscript force was badly mauled by the more-mature, dedicated Chechen force. During the first month of the conflict, Russian forces wrote off 225 armored vehicles as non-repairable battle losses. This represents 10.23% of the armored vehicles initially committed to the campaign.(19) The bulk of these losses were due to shoulder-fired antitank weapons and antitank grenades.
The Chechen forces were armed with Soviet and Russian-produced weapons and most Chechen fighters had served in the Soviet Armed Forces. The Chechen lower-level combat group consisted of 15 to 20 personnel subdivided into three or four-man fighting cells. These cells had an antitank gunner (normally armed with the RPG-7 or RPG-18 shoulder-fired antitank rocket launcher), a machine gunner and a sniper.(20) Additional personnel served as ammunition bearers and assistant gunners. Chechen combat groups deployed these cells as anti-armor hunter-killer teams. The sniper and machine gunner would pin down the supporting infantry while the antitank gunner would engage the armored target. Teams deployed at ground level, in second and third stories, and in basements of buildings. Normally five or six hunter-killer teams simultaneously attacked a single armored vehicle. Kill shots were generally made against the top, rear and sides of vehicles. (See diagram 1) Chechens also dropped bottles filled with gasoline or jellied fuel on top of vehicles.(21) The Chechen hunter-killer teams tried to trap vehicle columns in city streets where destruction of the first and last vehicles will trap the column and allow its total destruction.
The elevation and depression angles of the Russian tank barrels were incapable of dealing with hunter-killer teams fighting from basements and second or third-story positions and the simultaneous attack from five or six teams negated the effectiveness of the tanks' machine guns. The Russians attached ZSU 23-4 and 2S6 track-mounted antiaircraft guns to armored columns to respond to these difficult-to-engage hunter-killer teams.(22)
Avoiding RPG Fires
The Soviets were not the only modern army to worry about the effectiveness of the RPG. South African and Namibian forces fighting Angolan guerrillas in Namibia during the 1980s learned to give the RPG a wide berth. Their standard drill, when traveling in an armored personnel carrier and encountering Angolan guerrillas with an RPG, was to immediately begin driving around the guerrillas in an ever-widening circle. They would fire into the circle with automatic weapons. The moving vehicle was harder for the guerrilla RPG gunner to hit and the soldiers were able to exploit their mobility and firepower.(23) Dismounting troops to advance on guerrillas while the stationary personnel carrier provides supporting fire is a good way to lose the carrier.
Tanks and other ground combat vehicles need to be protected against the RPG. Sandbagging and mounting reactive armor were reasonable solutions until the introduction of the anti-reactive armor PG-7VR tandem round. The best short-term solution appears to be fitting combat vehicles with a light-weight stand-off screen. When the Soviets moved through heavy vegetation in Afghanistan, they would sometimes walk a wall of high-explosive fragmentation rounds in front of the vehicles to keep the RPG gunners at bay--or at least to ruin their aim.(24) This is an expensive option in terms of artillery or mortar rounds, but it does work.
When practical, the best way to protect ground vehicles from the RPG is to put infantry well forward of the vehicles to find and destroy the RPG gunners. Combat vehicles should stay out of urban areas or areas dominated by overwatching terrain and tall trees until the infantry has cleared and posted the area. Moving under smoke or at night also helps protect ground vehicles. Convoys should have a security escort, smoke laying capability and helicopter coverage. All vehicle drivers should have several smoke grenades.(25)
There are several ways to protect helicopters from the RPG:
-Vary the take-off and landing directions from the helipads.
-Never fly a "race-track" or other identifiable pattern.
-Never follow streets, roads, canyons or river lines for any length.
-Always allow 500 meters between the helicopter and its wingman. This allows the wingman full range of his weaponry to engage RPG gunners.
-Vary the flight tactics and flying pattern, sometimes flying with two helicopters and sometimes with three.
-Prep a LZ with an over-pressure system (fuel-air) before landing.
-Use pathfinders on any LZ before committing the full landing force.
-Never set patterns by time, formation or sequence of events.(26)
The RPG-7 in Future Combat
The RPG-7 will be around for a good while yet. It is a proven, cheap killer of technology which will continue to play a significant role--particularly when conventional forces are pitted against irregular forces. Russian veterans are enthusiastic about the RPG-7 and have suggested that the Russians need to develop an antipersonnel round, an incendiary round, a smoke round, an illumination round and other special-purpose rounds to give the RPG-7 more flexibility in future combat. (27) US soldiers need to be aware of the RPG-7 and how it has been deployed. The chances are, whenever a US soldier is deployed to a trouble spot, the RPG-7 will be part of the local landscape.
Update: The US Army has lost almost 100 helicopters to RPGs and small arms fire in Afghanistan and Iraq, including some armored Apache attack helicopters. Most of these were not shot down, but damaged so badly they were scrapped.
ENDNOTES:
1. Aleksandr Sykholesskiy, "Artilleriya partisan: RPG vlokal'nykh vooruzhennykh konfliktakh" [The guerrilla's artillery: The RPG in local armed conflicts], Soldatudachi [Soldier of fortune], February 1996, 42.
2. Terry J. Gander and Ian V. Hogg (editors), Jane's Infantry Weapons, Surrey: Jane's Information Group, 1995, 303-305. For a thorough discussion, see Scott C. Janzen, "The Story of the Rocket Propelled Grenade", Red Thrust Star, April 1997, 21-25 or http://leav-www.army.mil/fmso/fmso.htm.
3. I. M. Andrusenko, R.G. Dukov, and Yu. R. Fomin, Motostrelkovyv (tankovyy) vzbod v boyu [Motorized rifle (tank) platoon in combat], Moscow: Voyenizdat, 1989, 26-28.
4. Holy warrior. The Mujahideen were fighting for their homes and their Islamic faith.
5. Sykholesskiy, 42.
6. Ibid, 43.
7. The "green zone" is a fertile, agricultural region of gardens and vineyards bisected by a network of irrigation ditches and adobe walls. It is practically impassible for vehicles.
8. Ali A. Jalali and Lester W. Grau, The Other Side of the Mountain: Mujahideen Tactics in the Soviet-Afghan War, to be published in 1998, chapter 15.
9. Sykholesskiy, 43.
10. Special forces. These are a blend of long-range reconnaissance and commando forces.
11. The RPG-16 and RPG-22 are one-shot antitank weapons similar to the US LAW (light-weight antitank weapon).
12. Sykholesskiy, 43.
13. Ibid, 44.
14. A second variant of the ambush was to position heavy machine guns in caves dug into canyon walls where they could fire horizontally across the narrow canyon. They would then bait the aircraft by positioning an attractive target on the canyon floor. The bait would lure the aircraft into the canyon where multiple machine guns would open up on its flight path. Jalali and Grau.
15. Sykholesskiy, 45.
16. In the Somalia fighting, both helicopters were brought down by a tail shot by a single RPG-7. Mark Bowden, "Blackhawk Down", The Philadelphia Enquirer, http://www3.phillynews.com.
17. Sykholesskiy, 45.
18. For a discussion of changing Russian urban tactics, see Lester W. Grau, "Russian Urban Tactics: Lessons from the Battle for Grozny", Strategic Forum, Number 38, July 1995.
19. N. N. Novichkov, V. Ya. Snegovskiy, A. G. Sokolov and V. Yu. Shvarev, Rossiyskie vooruzhennye sily vchechenskom konflikte: Analiz, Itogi, Vyvody [Russian armed force in the Chechen conflict: Analysis, outcomes and conclusions], Moscow: Kholveg-Infoglob-Trivola, 1995, 138-139. For the same period of time, forward-support Russian maintenance personnel repaired 217 armored vehicles, while depot maintenance repaired another 404 armored vehicles according to Sergey Maev and Sergey Roshchin, "STO v Grozny" [Technical Maintenance Stations in Grozny], Armeyskiy sbornik [Army digest], December 1995, 58. These were not all combat-induced losses, but it seems to indicate that 846 of 2221 armored vehicles (38%) were out of action for some period of time during the two-month battle for Grozny.
20. "Pamyatka lichnomu sostavu chastey I podrazdeleniy povedeniyu boevykh deistviy v Chechenskoy Respublike" [Instructions for unit and subunit personnel involved in combat in the Chechen Republic], Ameryskiy sbornik, January 1996, 37.
21. Novichkov, 145.
22. Ibid, 123 For a more complete treatment of the subject, see Lester W. Grau, "Russian-manufactured Armored Vehicle Vulnerability in Urban Combat: The Chechnya Experience", Red Thrust Star, January 1997, 16-18 or On Line Version.
23. Author discussions with a South African officer at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas during March 1995.
24. Lester W. Grau, The Bear Went Over the Mountain: Soviet Combat Tactics in Afghanistan, London: Frank Cass Publishers, 1998, 24-26.
25. Author's opinion.
26. Author's opinion based on conversations with Major Darr Reimers, an army aviator.
27. Sykholesskiy, 61.
©2006 www.G2mil.com
We are Aryans.
This is an outstanding article on light infantry vs armor tactics involving the popular shoulder-fired RPG-7. This article appeared in the May-August 1998 issue of "Infantry" under the title "The RPG-7 On the Battlefields of Today and Tomorrow."
For All Seasons: The Old But Effective RPG-7 Promises to Haunt the Battlefields of Tomorrow
by Mr. Lester W. Grau Foreign Military Studies Office, Fort Leavenworth, KS. *********************************************************************
The RPG-7 anti-tank grenade launcher is one of the most common and most effective infantry weapons in contemporary conflicts. It is rugged, simple and carries a lethal punch. Whether downing US Blackhawk helicopters in Somalia, blasting Russian tanks in Chechnya, or attacking government strong points in Angola, the RPG-7 is the weapon of choice for many infantrymen and guerrillas around the world.
The RPG-7 is the lineal descendant of the World War II German Panzerfaust. It is relatively cheap, quite effective and found everywhere. The RPG-7 was adopted by the Soviet Armed Forces in 1961. Today, it is part of the TO&E of over 40 different countries' armies and several of these countries, besides Russia, are licensed to build their own.(1) Other manufacturers include Bulgaria, China, Iran, Iraq, Romania and Pakistan.
The RPG-7 is a shoulder-fired, muzzle-loaded, antitank and antipersonnel grenade launcher which launches a variety of fin-stabilized, oversized grenades from a 40mm tube. The launcher with optical sight weighs 6.9 kilograms (15.2 pounds) and has a maximum effective range of 300 meters against moving point targets and 500 meters against stationary point targets.
The maximum range for antitank grenades against area targets is 920 meters, at which point the round self-destructs after its 4.5 second flight. The antipersonnel grenades reach over 1100 meters. Among the production grenades are the PG-7, PG-7M, PG-7N, and PG-7VL antitank grenades with armor penetrability of up to 600mm of rolled homogeneous steel. The PG-7VR is a tandem warhead designed to penetrate explosive reactive armor and the armor underneath. The OG-7 and OG-7M are high-explosive antipersonnel grenades.(2)
The Soviet Army assigned one RPG-7 per motorized rifle squad.(3) Forces involved in regional conflicts tend to add more RPGs to their organizations. In the Iran-Iraq War, the Iranian 11-man squad had two RPG-7 gunners. In the Soviet-Afghan War, the Mujahideen (4) averaged one RPG for every 10-12 combatants in 1983-1985. By 1987, they were two RPG-7s for every 10-12 combatants.
The Mujahideen formed special armored-vehicle hunter-killer teams where 50 to 80% of the personnel were armed with RPG-7s. This could be up to 15 RPGs. When there weren't mortars available, these groups also used their RPG-7s as a form of pseudo-artillery and conducted RPG preparation fires.(5)
Constricted terrain (mountains, forest, jungle, and population centers) leads to close combat. When the combatants are 10-30 meters apart, artillery and air support is practically nonexistent due to the danger of fratricide. Close combat is a direct-fire brawl in which the RPG-7 excels.(6)
Combat in the High Desert
The Soviet -Afghan War lasted from 1979 to 1989 and pitted the local Mujahideen against the Soviet occupiers and the Afghan communist government. Afghanistan is a rugged land, full of towering mountains, vast deserts, "green zones"(7) and occasional forest. Guerrilla warfare favors the use of light infantry.
The Soviets never fielded enough light infantry to match the quality light infantry of the Mujahideen. The RPG-7 was the Mujahideen weapon of choice and they proved its value as a light-weight killer against Soviet tanks, armored personnel carriers, trucks and helicopters. The Soviets tried to stay at least 300 meters away from the Mujahideen--out of AK-47 Kalashinikov assault rifle and RPG- 7 moving target range.(8) The Mujahideen, on the other hand, tried to get in close and "hug" the Soviet force to escape Soviet artillery and air strikes while using their RPGs to good effect.(9)
Among the forces that the Soviets deployed to Afghanistan were two spetsnaz brigades.(10) The spetsnaz forces were not authorized RPG-7s in their TO&Es. Instead, they were issued RPG-16s or RPG-22s.(11) The RPG-16s and RPG-22s lacked the range and punch of the RPG-7, so spetsnaz troops used captured Chinese and Pakistani RPG-7s. They preferred these RPGs to the Soviet-manufactured model since they are lighter, and have a folding bipod and a convenient carrying handle. The spetsnaz found that the RPG-7 was ideal for taking out Mujahideen firing positions dug into mountain slopes. They would aim the RPG-7 to hit above and behind the firing position, showering the firing position with shrapnel and pieces of rock.(12)
The Mujahideen used the RPG antitank grenades against both vehicles and personnel. The antitank round has a lethal bursting radius of some four meters and can kill with blast and shrapnel. The Mujahideen learned that the best way to destroy a vehicle was to engage it with two or three RPGs simultaneously from a range of 20-50 meters. The chances of hitting the target with a lethal shot are greatly increased by firing a number of shots at close range. Further, the vehicle under attack has less of a chance to react to the attack.
The rebels in Tadjikistan in 1992 applied this same technique when attacking T-72 tanks equipped with reactive armor. Since they lacked the anti-reactive armor PG-7VR tandem warhead, the first gunner would hit the tank to blow a hole in the reactive armor and the second and third gunner would fire the kill shots at the exposed area. This "double-teaming" also usually took out the tank's vision blocks, so if the tank survived, it was blind allowing the RPG gunners time to reposition, reload and reengage. Another "trick of the trade" was to throw a fragmentation grenade on the T-72's front deck to take out the driver's vision block before the massed RPGs opened up on the tank. The optimum shot for the Tadjik rebels was against the rear section of the T-72 turret.
The biggest danger to the RPG gunners was infantry accompanying tanks, so they tried to take out tanks that were out of immediate infantry support range. Further, RPG gunners usually were accompanied by supporting snipers and machine gunners and an assistant RPG gunner carrying an assault rifle. These could protect the RPG gunner from enemy infantry. It was absolutely necessary, if the RPG gunners were not firing from prepared positions, that they change firing positions after every shot. This was especially true if they failed to kill their target with the first shot or the target had a supporting vehicle in overwatch. RPG gunners who were caught up in the heat of the moment and stood their ground were quickly killed.(13)
RPG-7s were especially valuable in executing an ambush. RPG positions were selected with particular care, then dug-in, reinforced and camouflaged. The area behind the firing positions were soaked for two-four meters in depth with water to prevent a tell-tale cloud of dust. The firing position was hidden within local foliage--brush, reeds, corn and tall grasses up to two meters high. It was only necessary to have a clear view of the target and an unimpeded pathway where the grenade could fly without be deflected by twigs and foliage. No matter how well camouflaged and watered-down a position, the launching signature of a RPG is unmistakable. The flash and the whitish blue-grey smoke is a clear giveaway and the surviving RPG gunner is one who quickly shifts positions or dives deep into a hole.
Helicopter Hunting
While the RPG was designed to kill tanks and other combat vehicles, it has brought down a number of helicopters as well. During the fighting in Mogadishu, Somalia in October 1994, the two US Army Blackhawk helicopters shot down were by the RPG. In Afghanistan, the Mujahideen found that the best anti-helicopter tactics were anti-helicopter ambushes. The first variant was to identify likely landing zones and mine them. Then the Mujahideen would position machine guns and RPGs around the landing zone. As the helicopter landed, massed RPG and machine gun fire would tear into the aircraft.(14)
If the Mujahideen could not lure helicopters into an ambush kill zone, the RPG could still engage helicopters. The Mujahideen found that a frontal shot at a range of 100 meters was optimum against an approaching helicopter.(15) As before, the more RPGs firing simultaneously, the better chance of a hit and escape from an avenging wingman.(16)
Should the helicopters be flying further away, it was better to wait until the helicopter was 700-800 meters away and then fire, trying to catch the helicopter with the explosion of the round's self-destruction at 920 meters distance. Chances of hitting a helicopter at this range by the self-destruct mechanism were very limited, but they served to discourage reconnaissance helicopters and air assault landings, particularly if a SA-7 Strela or a Stinger shoulder-fired surface-to-air missile was also firing.(17)
Combat in Cities
In December 1994, the Russian Army entered the break-away Republic of Chechnya and attempted to seize the Chechen capital of Grozny from the march. After this attempt failed, the Russian Army spent two months in deliberate house-to-house fighting before finally capturing the city.(18) During the fighting, the Russian conscript force was badly mauled by the more-mature, dedicated Chechen force. During the first month of the conflict, Russian forces wrote off 225 armored vehicles as non-repairable battle losses. This represents 10.23% of the armored vehicles initially committed to the campaign.(19) The bulk of these losses were due to shoulder-fired antitank weapons and antitank grenades.
The Chechen forces were armed with Soviet and Russian-produced weapons and most Chechen fighters had served in the Soviet Armed Forces. The Chechen lower-level combat group consisted of 15 to 20 personnel subdivided into three or four-man fighting cells. These cells had an antitank gunner (normally armed with the RPG-7 or RPG-18 shoulder-fired antitank rocket launcher), a machine gunner and a sniper.(20) Additional personnel served as ammunition bearers and assistant gunners. Chechen combat groups deployed these cells as anti-armor hunter-killer teams. The sniper and machine gunner would pin down the supporting infantry while the antitank gunner would engage the armored target. Teams deployed at ground level, in second and third stories, and in basements of buildings. Normally five or six hunter-killer teams simultaneously attacked a single armored vehicle. Kill shots were generally made against the top, rear and sides of vehicles. (See diagram 1) Chechens also dropped bottles filled with gasoline or jellied fuel on top of vehicles.(21) The Chechen hunter-killer teams tried to trap vehicle columns in city streets where destruction of the first and last vehicles will trap the column and allow its total destruction.
The elevation and depression angles of the Russian tank barrels were incapable of dealing with hunter-killer teams fighting from basements and second or third-story positions and the simultaneous attack from five or six teams negated the effectiveness of the tanks' machine guns. The Russians attached ZSU 23-4 and 2S6 track-mounted antiaircraft guns to armored columns to respond to these difficult-to-engage hunter-killer teams.(22)
Avoiding RPG Fires
The Soviets were not the only modern army to worry about the effectiveness of the RPG. South African and Namibian forces fighting Angolan guerrillas in Namibia during the 1980s learned to give the RPG a wide berth. Their standard drill, when traveling in an armored personnel carrier and encountering Angolan guerrillas with an RPG, was to immediately begin driving around the guerrillas in an ever-widening circle. They would fire into the circle with automatic weapons. The moving vehicle was harder for the guerrilla RPG gunner to hit and the soldiers were able to exploit their mobility and firepower.(23) Dismounting troops to advance on guerrillas while the stationary personnel carrier provides supporting fire is a good way to lose the carrier.
Tanks and other ground combat vehicles need to be protected against the RPG. Sandbagging and mounting reactive armor were reasonable solutions until the introduction of the anti-reactive armor PG-7VR tandem round. The best short-term solution appears to be fitting combat vehicles with a light-weight stand-off screen. When the Soviets moved through heavy vegetation in Afghanistan, they would sometimes walk a wall of high-explosive fragmentation rounds in front of the vehicles to keep the RPG gunners at bay--or at least to ruin their aim.(24) This is an expensive option in terms of artillery or mortar rounds, but it does work.
When practical, the best way to protect ground vehicles from the RPG is to put infantry well forward of the vehicles to find and destroy the RPG gunners. Combat vehicles should stay out of urban areas or areas dominated by overwatching terrain and tall trees until the infantry has cleared and posted the area. Moving under smoke or at night also helps protect ground vehicles. Convoys should have a security escort, smoke laying capability and helicopter coverage. All vehicle drivers should have several smoke grenades.(25)
There are several ways to protect helicopters from the RPG:
-Vary the take-off and landing directions from the helipads.
-Never fly a "race-track" or other identifiable pattern.
-Never follow streets, roads, canyons or river lines for any length.
-Always allow 500 meters between the helicopter and its wingman. This allows the wingman full range of his weaponry to engage RPG gunners.
-Vary the flight tactics and flying pattern, sometimes flying with two helicopters and sometimes with three.
-Prep a LZ with an over-pressure system (fuel-air) before landing.
-Use pathfinders on any LZ before committing the full landing force.
-Never set patterns by time, formation or sequence of events.(26)
The RPG-7 in Future Combat
The RPG-7 will be around for a good while yet. It is a proven, cheap killer of technology which will continue to play a significant role--particularly when conventional forces are pitted against irregular forces. Russian veterans are enthusiastic about the RPG-7 and have suggested that the Russians need to develop an antipersonnel round, an incendiary round, a smoke round, an illumination round and other special-purpose rounds to give the RPG-7 more flexibility in future combat. (27) US soldiers need to be aware of the RPG-7 and how it has been deployed. The chances are, whenever a US soldier is deployed to a trouble spot, the RPG-7 will be part of the local landscape.
Update: The US Army has lost almost 100 helicopters to RPGs and small arms fire in Afghanistan and Iraq, including some armored Apache attack helicopters. Most of these were not shot down, but damaged so badly they were scrapped.
ENDNOTES:
1. Aleksandr Sykholesskiy, "Artilleriya partisan: RPG vlokal'nykh vooruzhennykh konfliktakh" [The guerrilla's artillery: The RPG in local armed conflicts], Soldatudachi [Soldier of fortune], February 1996, 42.
2. Terry J. Gander and Ian V. Hogg (editors), Jane's Infantry Weapons, Surrey: Jane's Information Group, 1995, 303-305. For a thorough discussion, see Scott C. Janzen, "The Story of the Rocket Propelled Grenade", Red Thrust Star, April 1997, 21-25 or http://leav-www.army.mil/fmso/fmso.htm.
3. I. M. Andrusenko, R.G. Dukov, and Yu. R. Fomin, Motostrelkovyv (tankovyy) vzbod v boyu [Motorized rifle (tank) platoon in combat], Moscow: Voyenizdat, 1989, 26-28.
4. Holy warrior. The Mujahideen were fighting for their homes and their Islamic faith.
5. Sykholesskiy, 42.
6. Ibid, 43.
7. The "green zone" is a fertile, agricultural region of gardens and vineyards bisected by a network of irrigation ditches and adobe walls. It is practically impassible for vehicles.
8. Ali A. Jalali and Lester W. Grau, The Other Side of the Mountain: Mujahideen Tactics in the Soviet-Afghan War, to be published in 1998, chapter 15.
9. Sykholesskiy, 43.
10. Special forces. These are a blend of long-range reconnaissance and commando forces.
11. The RPG-16 and RPG-22 are one-shot antitank weapons similar to the US LAW (light-weight antitank weapon).
12. Sykholesskiy, 43.
13. Ibid, 44.
14. A second variant of the ambush was to position heavy machine guns in caves dug into canyon walls where they could fire horizontally across the narrow canyon. They would then bait the aircraft by positioning an attractive target on the canyon floor. The bait would lure the aircraft into the canyon where multiple machine guns would open up on its flight path. Jalali and Grau.
15. Sykholesskiy, 45.
16. In the Somalia fighting, both helicopters were brought down by a tail shot by a single RPG-7. Mark Bowden, "Blackhawk Down", The Philadelphia Enquirer, http://www3.phillynews.com.
17. Sykholesskiy, 45.
18. For a discussion of changing Russian urban tactics, see Lester W. Grau, "Russian Urban Tactics: Lessons from the Battle for Grozny", Strategic Forum, Number 38, July 1995.
19. N. N. Novichkov, V. Ya. Snegovskiy, A. G. Sokolov and V. Yu. Shvarev, Rossiyskie vooruzhennye sily vchechenskom konflikte: Analiz, Itogi, Vyvody [Russian armed force in the Chechen conflict: Analysis, outcomes and conclusions], Moscow: Kholveg-Infoglob-Trivola, 1995, 138-139. For the same period of time, forward-support Russian maintenance personnel repaired 217 armored vehicles, while depot maintenance repaired another 404 armored vehicles according to Sergey Maev and Sergey Roshchin, "STO v Grozny" [Technical Maintenance Stations in Grozny], Armeyskiy sbornik [Army digest], December 1995, 58. These were not all combat-induced losses, but it seems to indicate that 846 of 2221 armored vehicles (38%) were out of action for some period of time during the two-month battle for Grozny.
20. "Pamyatka lichnomu sostavu chastey I podrazdeleniy povedeniyu boevykh deistviy v Chechenskoy Respublike" [Instructions for unit and subunit personnel involved in combat in the Chechen Republic], Ameryskiy sbornik, January 1996, 37.
21. Novichkov, 145.
22. Ibid, 123 For a more complete treatment of the subject, see Lester W. Grau, "Russian-manufactured Armored Vehicle Vulnerability in Urban Combat: The Chechnya Experience", Red Thrust Star, January 1997, 16-18 or On Line Version.
23. Author discussions with a South African officer at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas during March 1995.
24. Lester W. Grau, The Bear Went Over the Mountain: Soviet Combat Tactics in Afghanistan, London: Frank Cass Publishers, 1998, 24-26.
25. Author's opinion.
26. Author's opinion based on conversations with Major Darr Reimers, an army aviator.
27. Sykholesskiy, 61.
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Saturday, April 25, 2009
Duke Wins
I figured this would happen. The czechs aren't stupid, they lived under jewish communism and know what Duke writes is the truth. However, they have to play both sides. So to appease the kikes, they had him arrested but in a nod to the truth, they ordered him out. I know that sounds strange but that's the way politics is played. In any case, he won. People will want to read the book and find out for themselves. So cheer up, my comrades!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8018188.stm
Czechs throw out ex-Klan leader
Duke once held a seat for Louisiana in the House of Representatives
Czech authorities have ordered a former Ku Klux Klan leader, David Duke, to leave the country.
The 59-year-old American was invited to the Czech Republic by a local far-right group and had planned to give lectures and promote a book.
But on Friday he was arrested and questioned by police on suspicion of denying the Holocaust, an offence under Czech law.
Mr Duke has not been charged, but was ordered to leave the country.
He has reportedly been given a deadline of midnight on Saturday.
His lawyer was quoted in local media as saying she would lodge a complaint against the police on his behalf.
The Czech interim prime minister-designate, Jan Fischer, appeared on Czech television to say the opinions expressed in Mr Duke's book were "simply unacceptable, incomprehensible".
David Duke is a former Grand Wizard of the notorious white supremacist Ku Klux Klan group. He once held a seat for Louisiana in the House of Representatives, and made an unsuccessful bid for the US presidency.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8018188.stm
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